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Redneck93
Dúnadan
posted 07-13-07 07:06 PM EDT (US)         
We all know how the Fellowship of the ring spent almost a year marching over thousands of miles and fighting epic battles. There was a way, however, that they could have done it in a few days. They should have done this...

1.Rivendell council sends message to the giant eagles to come to the meeting.
2.Eagles pick up the Fellowship and fly to Mordor.
3.Frodo and Sam continue toward the volcano on the Eagle while the rest of the fellowship cause a distraction to draw Sauron's attention.
4.Frodo,Sam, and the Eagle dive toward the lava pit, then drop the ring inside.
5.Ring is destroyed, mordor collapses, Sauron dies, and Middle Earth is free.

I wonder why Tolkein didn't think of that.

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Sir Snoopy
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posted 07-13-07 07:30 PM EDT (US)     1 / 24       
It wouldn't be much of a story If that happend. Also, I think something was said about that...

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Murrogh
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posted 07-13-07 09:43 PM EDT (US)     2 / 24       
1. They would be spotted by crows.

2. They would need to stop for food.

3. Fell beasts.

4. No garantee the eagles would take part in such a rash adventure.

This doesn't mean it is't a better idea than the fellowship, but it isn't shooting fish in a barrel.

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Redneck93
Dúnadan
posted 07-16-07 04:38 PM EDT (US)     3 / 24       
1. They would be spotted by crows.
Yeah. So? The crows won't do anything.
2. They would need to stop for food.
That isn't much of a problem. They can always stop.
3. Fell beasts.
Judging from the Return of the king, Eagles>Fell beasts.
4. No garantee the eagles would take part in such a rash adventure.
They might jump at destroying the ring. They agreed to that battle at the black gate, didn't they?

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Sir Snoopy
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posted 07-16-07 05:12 PM EDT (US)     4 / 24       
@ Redneck
1.The crows would alert saraman, who would send archers somewhere to intercept.
2.They could get killed on the ground
3. Eagles carying heavy hobbits<felbeasts
4. That was one battle. The journey would have been very dangourous.
And I would dissagree with Murrogh, It would be a terrible idea, and the story would have been crap.
This thread is an insult to all LOTR fans, JRR Tolkein, and The Story of the lord of the rings.
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MR ANCALAGON
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posted 07-16-07 05:34 PM EDT (US)     5 / 24       
This thread is an insult to all LOTR fans, JRR Tolkein, and The Story of the lord of the rings.
< dances in closed thread angrily >
Snoopy, calm down. Redneck is asking a serious question.
It would be a terrible idea, and the story would have been crap.
That's true, and Murrogh never said that it would be a good story. We're debating the logic of those at the Council of Rivendell.

Also, take it from an oldie here that it's in insult to "dance in a thread" just because you don't like the ideas presented. Keep that in mind.
Sir Snoopy
Dúnadan
posted 07-16-07 06:08 PM EDT (US)     6 / 24       
He said he wonderd why tolkien didn't think of that.
I'll calm down, but I'm still angry.
Sorry everyone.

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Redneck93
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posted 07-16-07 07:05 PM EDT (US)     7 / 24       
1.The crows would alert saraman, who would send archers somewhere to intercept.
Actually, crows never alerted Saruman. Those were a species of bird whose name I can't pronounce but started with an "A". Plus, the eagles could fly over archers and take a route that side-stepped Isengard.
2.They could get killed on the ground.
The fellowship handled itself pretty well on ground, and eagles could provide advanced warning of enemies.
3. Eagles carying heavy hobbits<felbeasts
Heavy?
4. That was one battle. The journey would have been very dangourous.
The eagles made that journey in ROTK. The battle was also on Sauron's turf, but they agreed to go there.
And I would dissagree with Murrogh, It would be a terrible idea, and the story would have been crap.
This is from an in-universe perspective, not a book reviewer's. By the way, that's the most angry "smilies" I've ever seen in a post.

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MR ANCALAGON
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posted 07-16-07 07:22 PM EDT (US)     8 / 24       
Tolkien probably thought of that, but
1) He hoped that nobody would think of it
2) It's a much more interesting story to have to cross on foot the whole way.
Smeagolfan24
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posted 07-16-07 09:19 PM EDT (US)     9 / 24       
An article I found about this topic. I recommend you all read all of it. It counters many thoughts about this, and at the end hints on the main reason why the Eagles did not help: Since those at the Council of Elrond did not even consider it, there must be no possiblility that they could have helped. Other than that, it is merely a hole in the plot.

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Franey
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posted 07-17-07 00:20 AM EDT (US)     10 / 24       
Who cares? It's an amazing book, and we should appreciate it for what it is and not worry about what the Fellowship "Should" have done. Honestly I would have chucked the ring at Elrond and said you take it to Mount Doom then, but that wouldn't be a good story.
Smeagolfan24
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posted 07-17-07 12:47 PM EDT (US)     11 / 24       
I'm not saying that it isn't an amazing book, I'm just saying that even Tolkien knew he had things that he couldn't keep up with in his book, like the Nazgul's fear of water.

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Redneck93
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posted 07-17-07 01:52 PM EDT (US)     12 / 24       
So 10 year olds with squirt guns>Nazgul?

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Aeneas2
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posted 07-17-07 02:26 PM EDT (US)     13 / 24       
Not really, just because the Nazgul fear water doesn't mean that they can't be touched by it or anything (i.e. they won't melt like the Wicked Witch of the West). It's just something they would rather avoid.

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Sir Snoopy
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posted 07-17-07 03:03 PM EDT (US)     14 / 24       
Another thing to keep with, is that time was of the essence. The fellowship would have had to go far out of their way to talk to the eagles. And if they said no, the journey would have taken much longer. The free peoples would not have held out much longer against the evil armies.

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Smeagolfan24
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posted 07-17-07 09:28 PM EDT (US)     15 / 24       
About the Nazgul, it's explained at the end of that article.

And that's very true, Snoopy.

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Redneck93
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posted 07-18-07 02:12 PM EDT (US)     16 / 24       
So you're saying that marching a few thousand miles on foot is quicker than flying?
Another thing to keep with, is that time was of the essence. The fellowship would have had to go far out of their way to talk to the eagles. And if they said no, the journey would have taken much longer. The free peoples would not have held out much longer against the evil armies.
Easy solution. Send an elf to the mountains while the fellowship marches on. Map out certain waypoints for the eagles to check on the fellowship's route to see if they are there, and then zip them into mordor.

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Smeagolfan24
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posted 07-18-07 07:24 PM EDT (US)     17 / 24       
Look, we've astablished that it could be done, but Tolkien decided not to for the best of the story.

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posted 07-24-07 02:17 PM EDT (US)     18 / 24       
Hey Redneck you got the idea from the "how it should have ended" clip on Youtube, didn't you?

By the way if the Witch-King attacked the eagles they would flee in terror.

Another problem is Frodo would not let go of the ring. In the books when Gandalf tells him to put the ring in the fire right after he got it, Frodo wouldn't do it. He reached out his hand to drop it, but with a sudden move pulled his hand back to his pocket. Gandalf says "See, it is already starting to control you."

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Sir Snoopy
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posted 07-24-07 02:28 PM EDT (US)     19 / 24       
There was no point in wakeing up this thread.
Stop it.

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Catabre
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posted 07-24-07 02:51 PM EDT (US)     20 / 24       
Sorry.I never really knew it was "asleep," I've been gone a while so I had no clue.

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Chandomai
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posted 04-14-09 07:32 PM EDT (US)     21 / 24       
edit:sorry din't look at all post. Catabr alrady said what i just said. Only read first post sorry ^^

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DrZoidberge
Dúnadan
posted 07-26-10 11:17 AM EDT (US)     22 / 24       
OR Alternatly

Frodo gives ring to eagles who fly it to mount doom
hussey
Banned
posted 08-26-10 00:30 AM EDT (US)     23 / 24       


I've got a feeling THIS thread is the Hall of Fame thread. I've just read the first page of Laughing Heart's thread on your recommendation! I thank you and your team, for your hard work, enthusiasm and dedication and for ALL that you have created here. and i am very thankfull for the advice from people who know alot more than me.

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Sebastien
Dark Samurai
posted 09-05-10 09:19 PM EDT (US)     24 / 24       

An even better idea would have been...

Hey Aragorn, we should reforge the sword while your here in Rivendell. Go to them green ghost men like, once thats done. (Rather than later on near the end and risking the lives of 1000's of men).

They seem to woop everything livings ass so easily. They can do that and kill everyone and someone can just walk into mordor whistling or yea, fly on the eagles.

While were at it we should get the Ents involved BEFORE the orcs get chance to fortify Isenguard into a army making machine. Maybe let them watch a bit first, of the trees being teared down to convince them a little bit.....

I love Tolkien, but there are many many different options they could have taken. End of the day the options they did take made for one hell of a story.
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