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Daveofthewood
Dúnadan
posted 06-14-07 08:56 AM EDT (US)         
Ok maybe a bit random but here we go...

I was watching the extended Return of the King the other day and the scene (if anyones seen it) were Gandalf tells Merry how Gondor and the realm of men declined, i have come to the conclusion that during this scene he is talking out of his magical rear end.

I came to this conclusion typing in history of the Witch King into google and came up with a wealth of info on the fall of Arnor which is almost perfectly represented in the RoftWK game,telling of how (spoiler sorry) the Witch King with the aid of mens indecision destroyed arnor and crippled the realm of men and elves with a plague.

Gandalf mentions none of this to merry!!! He tells of how sons of kings got distracted by looking towards the stars for answers and holding their dead fathers in higher regard than their sons or some bollocks like that.

As you can imagine (tongue in cheek) i was infuriated that Gandalf was rather how can i put it "short" with his explanation which i felt should have gone like this.

Gandalf to Merry (in a strong Northern English accent):

Well Lad its a long story, basically the Men of the West are like playdo with a brain that can be moulded and bent to magical folk like myselfs will, the decline started in Arnor where Men not content with kicking Saurons Ass decided it was time to have a protracted fight with each other.

The nasty Bitch King of Bellmar who was hiding in a cave now used by Bin Laden, decided that Arnor was ripe for the plucking and therefore raped and pillaged arnor and then set up starbucks firstly on the barrow downs to cripple the economy and spread a plague of java beans that no good folk could stand against.

Merry to Gandalf: Thats terrible i prefer costa coffee.

Gandalf: Me too.

Merry: What happened to Gondor then?

Gandalf: They became a bit obsessed with funerals and astronomy.

Merry: Well im glad you've cleared that up

Gandalf: no problem you little ####.

I now leave the discussion open to you

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"Yep, their ugly!"-Gloin
"Bring me their leaders"-Mouth of Sauron (fat mouth)
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MightyFireball
Dúnadan
posted 06-14-07 10:26 AM EDT (US)     1 / 5       
Yeah, but I think the indecision of men that you mentioned came about as a result of their kings ignoring their people. If they had been better prepared, Arnor might have held against the Witch-King.

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Daveofthewood
Dúnadan
posted 06-14-07 10:36 AM EDT (US)     2 / 5       
"Yeah, but I think the indecision of men that you mentioned came about as a result of their kings ignoring their people. If they had been better prepared, Arnor might have held against the Witch-King."

True, i think also the arrogance of the kings played into the hands of Angmar also, and bad military errors in moving the garrison from Amon Sul!!!

"Their presence here mocks us!"-Elrond
"Yep, their ugly!"-Gloin
"Bring me their leaders"-Mouth of Sauron (fat mouth)
Aeneas2
Dúnadan
posted 06-14-07 03:19 PM EDT (US)     3 / 5       
Moved to the Lore forum.

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posted 06-15-07 11:37 AM EDT (US)     4 / 5       
Wasn't he talking to Pippin in this scene?

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Daveofthewood
Dúnadan
posted 06-15-07 11:43 AM EDT (US)     5 / 5       
"Wasn't he talking to Pippin in this scene?"

Spot on my friend i do apologise, just replace Merry with pippin!!!!

"Their presence here mocks us!"-Elrond
"Yep, their ugly!"-Gloin
"Bring me their leaders"-Mouth of Sauron (fat mouth)
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