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Topic Subject:Elves vs. Attack Trolls
apocalypsenow
Dúnadan
posted 04-26-09 10:30 PM EDT (US)         
If someone could please help me out with a troll problem that would be nice.

I usually play as the elves but whenever I play against Mordor, they rush about ten to fifteen attack trolls over to my base, decimate my archers, horsemen, sentries, and ents, and tear down my fort in a matter of minutes.

I have tried everything from Legolas' Hawk strike thing, as well as any super powerful Hero ability, but there are just too many trolls.

The only thing that has ever worked was rushing their base and destroying the troll cage before they trained any trolls, but that solution is only temporary. Not to mention the fact that they usually have more than one troll cage.

ANY IDEAS? I find it hard to believe that there is nothing up the elves' sleeves to fix this.

Thanks.
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Aesperus
Dúnadan
posted 04-27-09 10:50 AM EDT (US)     1 / 22       
Have you ever thought of building a wall as a temporary stopper and have some ents behind wall throwing stones everywhere? Plus try getting a strong Cah Archer with alot of power and most of the archer specialization.

We all have a choice, so make yours wisely. If its wrong then make the best out of it.
Nacht Jaeger
Dúnadan
(id: RCM7525)
posted 04-27-09 10:53 AM EDT (US)     2 / 22       
One of the Elves' weaknesses is their lack of a good solid pike unit, so the Mithlond Sentries are going to have to do. I suggest a fairly sizable meatshield of Pikes (Which have an advantage against monsters, iirc) to try to take the trolls' attention while you have some Mirkwood Archers (With maybe Silverthorns) pound them into dust.

Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
rammstein2129
Dúnadan
posted 04-27-09 11:29 AM EDT (US)     3 / 22       
It's very simple.
You must be quick or you won't have any chance. Began to build Mirtlond Sentrys and archers (mostly Mirkwood archers) and upgrading your Ergion Forge until to upgrade Silvertorn arrows. Wile the Sentrys are beeing killed, the Mirkwood archers are killing their trolls. The mirtlond sentrys must be in Hold Ground Stance to hold the trolls how many time you can.

I think that this is the better option to hold your defences. Keep building more units to support your defences.

Rammstein2129, the LORDofWAR R, from the tribe LORDS OF WAR.
from Portugal.
Crusard
Dúnadan
posted 04-27-09 01:44 PM EDT (US)     4 / 22       
Like Jaeger and Rammstein suggested, Mithlond Sentries in Defensive + Archers in Aggressive (silverthorns if possible) is the best way to go. If your opponent tries to go straight to your units instead of your buildings, try "dodging" the trolls to make them run around while you shoot them with arrows on the back (flanking increases damage).

Aesperus: CaHs aren't allowed on competitive play, and walls are almost never used :P
Aesperus
Dúnadan
posted 04-27-09 02:27 PM EDT (US)     5 / 22       
I was unaware of no Cah's allowed. As for walls, I use them alot since you can use some pikemen behind them, mirkwood archers in aggresive stance in towers and mow them down.

We all have a choice, so make yours wisely. If its wrong then make the best out of it.
apocalypsenow
Dúnadan
posted 04-27-09 05:25 PM EDT (US)     6 / 22       
Thanks all, I'll give this a shot.
Blatant
DoFH Seraph & Director of Seraphs
(id: blatant7)
posted 04-27-09 05:58 PM EDT (US)     7 / 22       
All these suggestions would work. Remember, with elves, you never want to be defending, especially against trolls. Always be on the attack, even if it means running past them.

Yes, I began my journey alone, and I ended it alone.
But that does not mean that I walked alone. ~ Brandon Sanderson
apocalypsenow
Dúnadan
posted 04-27-09 10:10 PM EDT (US)     8 / 22       
So just to verify; get sentries in the defensive stance in front of the trolls for distraction, then have Mirkwood archers in aggressive stance striking the trolls at a distance. Right?

And how about heroes? Can any particular hero be of any help?

[This message has been edited by apocalypsenow (edited 04-27-2009 @ 10:13 PM).]

rammstein2129
Dúnadan
posted 04-28-09 11:53 AM EDT (US)     9 / 22       
Any hero who use a bow is very useful. Haldir, Legolas and Tranduil are a good combination.

Rammstein2129, the LORDofWAR R, from the tribe LORDS OF WAR.
from Portugal.
nenya0619
BFME2H Replay Reviewer
posted 04-28-09 04:27 PM EDT (US)     10 / 22       
here is the real question: how the heck did you let him get 10-15 attack trolls to begin with?

Either he had complete map control and you were doomed from the get-go or you tried to turtle with weak units.

Rammstein is right, mirkwood archers cost as much as attack trolls, so if you were not getting mirks by the time he was getting attack trolls, he simply outplayed you. Once in that position, there is little that could help your case.

Another thing to think about is that you should scout your opponent's base as often as possible to know what he/she is producing. If you see a bunch of troll cages assume that he will go heavy on trolls.

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Oakenshield
Dúnadan
posted 05-03-09 09:32 AM EDT (US)     11 / 22       
If you give your enemy time to build 10-15 trolls you can surely make some ents to stop them back em up with some mirkwood archers or lorien archers and your safe.
algis1992
Dúnadan
posted 05-21-09 08:08 AM EDT (US)     12 / 22       
trolls are weak to arrows... and even more tomagic n(silverthrons),so yeh...
anymordor who get AT vs ekves is crazy tbh... you just played awfully, only explanation,i agree with nenya: how the hell did you let him just et 15 of them....
and what si all this nonsense about ents? entsa are not the counter to AT ....
they are siege...
anyways i prefer even as siege upped lancer/LW to ents tbh....
they kinda lots of command piints + expansive....
Aesperus
Dúnadan
posted 05-21-09 10:52 AM EDT (US)     13 / 22       
I remember playing my friend and he was Mordor. I was MotW and I mopped them up pretty dang fast. Heros are great distractions for the Ithilien Rangers to lay he hurt. Elves I would rather do the same have heros as distractions and use Mirks to nail'em to the ground.

We all have a choice, so make yours wisely. If its wrong then make the best out of it.
algis1992
Dúnadan
posted 05-21-09 05:00 PM EDT (US)     14 / 22       
Ah hero's, ithiliens, late game thigy's. No way you "mopped him up fast", in that case you would have ended it not even coming to rangers... just with sog... :P

Eh aesperus we should play a few times sometime...
Ill try to get you off this love for wall's, ents, tier2archers, hero's of yours :P

Btw men prolly hardest MU for mordor, don't you agree with me?
Aesperus
Dúnadan
posted 05-22-09 10:48 AM EDT (US)     15 / 22       
I just completly owned a guy playing as Mordor! I though it was rather funny simce all I sent were 6 squads of pikemen, two squads of Gondor Archers, one trebuchet, and bringingup the rear Faramir and Boromir. I think the guy found out the hard way that Corsairs only aren't good and they got almost no armor. By the time he realized his mistake however, I had a fortress in his base and 85% of his base demolished. Lol I thought Mordor was supposed to be a hard team and the guy had 213 wins under his belt with 47 losses after that game.

We all have a choice, so make yours wisely. If its wrong then make the best out of it.
algis1992
Dúnadan
posted 05-22-09 10:51 AM EDT (US)     16 / 22       
men>mordor

its jsut a har mu for morodor

mordor however is good agianst elves for exapmle...

anyway wanna play vs my mordor myabe?
or any toher faction

just answer too the post i made in "up for a game"

http://bfme2.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=7,22,,10

[This message has been edited by Algis1992 (edited 05-22-2009 @ 11:01 AM).]

jetix
Dúnadan
posted 05-26-09 10:51 AM EDT (US)     17 / 22       
i disagree!!men?mordor
algis1992
Dúnadan
posted 05-26-09 01:08 PM EDT (US)     18 / 22       
well lets play and see jetix
jetix
Dúnadan
posted 05-26-09 11:12 PM EDT (US)     19 / 22       
IF MEN IS ATTACKING QUICKLY YOU ARE RIGHT BUT IF THEY DON'T - I AM RIGHT
Aesperus
Dúnadan
posted 05-27-09 10:51 AM EDT (US)     20 / 22       
Well jetix has a point to prove doesn't he?

We all have a choice, so make yours wisely. If its wrong then make the best out of it.
algis1992
Dúnadan
posted 05-27-09 11:34 AM EDT (US)     21 / 22       
so if men attacks quickly men> mordor

y would men than not attack quickly? :P
They must be crazy ^^
jetix
Dúnadan
posted 05-27-09 10:43 PM EDT (US)     22 / 22       
but Mordor is fast at building and in the time Men get 1Tower Guard or 1Gondor Solgier they get 2Orc Warior!
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