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Smeagolfan24
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posted 12-28-06 11:53 AM EDT (US)         
A Look at Mini-heroes



Not much has been said here about the new mini-heroes, so I think we should have a thread on it. This is my take on these rejected additions to the game.

Mini-heroes are, as the name implies, basically units that are heroes. They have powers, can regenerate health, but have multiple units in them. Most are as expensive as heroes, so you'll have to choose if they're worth it, but we'll get to that eventually.

I'll look at each mini-hero, and then say what my strategy would be with them:

The Mini-heroes

Name:Knights of Dol Amroth
Faction:Men of the West
Cost:1500
Command Points:100
Required:Level 3 Stables
Strong vs.:All Normal Units except pikemen
Amount Allowed:3 Units of Knights
Abilities:
Level 2: Inspiration --- Mounted units near Knights gain +50% Damage and Armor; Passive
Level 7: Charge of Glory --- Knights gain +50% Damage and Armor for a short time.


Name:Noldor Warriors
Faction:Elves
Cost:1500
Command Points:96
Required:Level 3 Barracks
Strong vs.:All Normal Units
Amount Allowed:3 Units of Warriors
Abilities:
Level 7: Weapon Song --- Warriors gain +50% Damage and Armor for a short time.
Note: The Noldor Warriors are fully upgraded, Silverthorn and all!

Name:Dwarven Zealots
Faction:Dwarves
Cost:1500
Command Points:120
Required:Level 3 Hall of Warriors
Strong vs.:All Normal Units
Amount Allowed:3 Units of Zealots
Abilities:
Level 1: Axe Throw --- You all know what this is.
Level 7: Beserkergang --- Zealots gain +150% Damage and Attack Speed for a short time.


Name:Uruk Deathbringers
Faction:Isengard
Cost:1000
Command Points:75
Required:Level 3 Uruk Pit
Strong vs.:All Normal Units
Amount Allowed:3 Units of Deathbringers
Abilities:
Level 2: Stonewall --- Deathbringers become highly resistant to trample and knockback, and stop cavalry, but lose speed.
Level 7: Deathwish --- Deathbringers gain +250% Damage but lose 25% of health for 20 seconds.


Name:The Black Riders
Faction:Mordor
Cost:2000
Command Points:150
Required:Level 3 Siege Works
Strong vs.:All Normal Units except pikemen
Amount Allowed:1 Unit of Riders
Abilities:
Level 2: Dread Visage --- Significantly reduces nearby enemy Damage and Armor
Level 4: Morgul Blade --- Same as always
Level 10: Screech --- Inspires fear


Name:Fire Drake Brood
Faction:Goblins
Cost:1500
Command:72
Required:Level 3 Fissure
Strong vs.All Normal Units except pikemen and buildings
Amount Allowed:2 Broods
Abilities:
Level 7: Inferno --- Brood breathes fire over chosen area.

The Best Mini-hero

The Knights of Dol Amroth are the best choice in my opinion, although all the good factions got excellent heroes also. The best way to use the Knights is to join them with other units, have the others distact the enemy, and then take down their buildings one by one. They are very good at what they do, whether it be a charge w/ Theoden, or the above strategy.

The Worst Mini-hero

Fire Drake Broods are horrible. They will never last long enough to get to level 3, let alone level 7 for Inferno. I had one drake die in two seconds after charging into an army, with units to support it! do not use these!

Strategy

Mini-heroes can not survive on their own, as some of you have already said. There is a question as to whether they're worth the large amount of money. In my opinion, none of the Evil mini-heroes are worth it; they die too easily. Nazgul are way over-priced, so stay away from them.

The main strategy I've found mini-heroes to be strong in is raiding resource building. Really, they have no other use in your army of destruction.

.:|Smeagol|:.
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BritishBulldog
Dúnadan
posted 12-28-06 12:21 PM EDT (US)     1 / 46       
What are your favourite mini-heroes?

They cost so much and i am always too scared to use them incase they die - and most the time they do lol

Smeagolfan24
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posted 12-28-06 12:37 PM EDT (US)     2 / 46       
I'll get to that eventually, but I'm kinda busy at the moment.

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MR ANCALAGON
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posted 12-28-06 12:56 PM EDT (US)     3 / 46       
I've never really used mini-heroes. I once made Zealots but they promptly died after a clash with Tommy Bombadil.
Odins Servant
Dúnadan
posted 12-28-06 02:37 PM EDT (US)     4 / 46       
I was kind of disappointed when I tried the different mini-heroes. First of all they are pretty weak for their cost and they level sooooo slow . In fact, to get them to have their special attacks is pretty hard. Id rather get a good hero for their price.

JohWest
Dúnadan
posted 12-28-06 03:36 PM EDT (US)     5 / 46       
I found they're nearly useless unless you want some very good shock troops that you want to die in the attack. They would be worth more if after one man in the battalion died, he would come back, but instead you get stuck with 2 or 3 men that are not really good for anything.
Smeog
Dúnadan
posted 12-29-06 05:17 AM EDT (US)     6 / 46       
they're wondeful for army support though. they're not really meant to be used alone. 3 units of uruk deathbringers can wipe out an entire non upgraded army alone. knights of dol amroth are great to combine with theoden's gc and some more rohirrim.
Cirruis
Banned
posted 12-29-06 05:20 AM EDT (US)     7 / 46       
I never use them, not worth the money.
BritishBulldog
Dúnadan
posted 12-29-06 09:08 AM EDT (US)     8 / 46       
How'd you know that they are not worth the money if you have never used them? <:-S
Smeog
Dúnadan
posted 12-29-06 12:03 PM EDT (US)     9 / 46       
I sometimes use them, if ive got the resources and the ability to. they're not really nececcary but if you can make it, they're worth it. though i do think they should lower the cp cost.

all of them are great army waders (thats what i call heroes who can get rid of large armies) and can be great support. they do require some strategy howerver... and some lack that...

Bendak
Dúnadan
posted 12-31-06 09:07 AM EDT (US)     10 / 46       
Sticker-de-stickied!

B e n d e r s . . . 2004

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Rikolous
Dúnadan
posted 12-31-06 10:07 AM EDT (US)     11 / 46       
some info u forgot to put on the mini hero horde review, how many u get in a battalion, also i found a tactic that works well with all mini-hero hordes. make a custom hero (or use an existing hero) and use there train allies ability. it levels them up very well !

Rikolous, [insert clever/funny phrase in the space provided]
BritishBulldog
Dúnadan
posted 12-31-06 09:33 PM EDT (US)     12 / 46       
Smart idea, but isnt everything said based on tournament rules unless specifically said otherwise?
Smeagolfan24
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posted 01-02-07 05:51 PM EDT (US)     13 / 46       
Finally done! If there is anything else you guys want, just tell me.

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MightyFireball
Dúnadan
posted 01-04-07 09:11 PM EDT (US)     14 / 46       
I'm kinda disappointed that Angmar don't get mini-heroes. They get sorcerers, but they pretty much suck.

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Smeagolfan24
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posted 01-05-07 12:31 PM EDT (US)     15 / 46       
My main disappointment was that the Uruk Deathbringers have the same voice-work as the Uruk CaH. Why must you be so lazy, EA?!

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MightyFireball
Dúnadan
posted 01-05-07 02:57 PM EDT (US)     16 / 46       
They do that for a lot of things. For instance, the screams that One Dead Angel did, if you remember, we had a contest to identify them, were used for all Men units, including haradrim and easterlings, and wildmen of dunland, as well as all the units for Men of the West, or almost all of them. Wow, I used like 8 commas in that last sentence.

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pigelin
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posted 01-06-07 05:25 AM EDT (US)     17 / 46       
What scream was that? What is the One Dead Angel?

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Smeagolfan24
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posted 01-06-07 12:47 PM EDT (US)     18 / 46       
Isn't it when a Fellbeast drops a man? I wasn't here for the contest.

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MightyFireball
Dúnadan
posted 01-06-07 04:37 PM EDT (US)     19 / 46       
OneDeadAngel was a forumer here, but he left. He went to E3 I think it was and EA had a contest there. Whoever had the best death scream had their scream put into the game.

Then, we had a contest here at BFME2 to identify where the scream was put into the game. A sound file was given and then you had to go into the game and find it. Modders had an advantage because they could look at the sound files more easily. I happened to win that contest and I won a ZBoard, which I still use to this day.


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Smeagolfan24
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posted 01-06-07 05:06 PM EDT (US)     20 / 46       
So where was the scream put into the game?

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danno_canuck
Dúnadan
posted 03-21-07 09:11 AM EDT (US)     21 / 46       
HI everybody,I am new here. I like the Zealots but they cost too many Command points to be very practicle.
INSANEsameri
Dúnadan
posted 03-21-07 09:22 PM EDT (US)     22 / 46       
true but the are very fun
Where are some heads to bust

Oh and welcome


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Ludson
Dúnadan
posted 04-24-07 12:16 PM EDT (US)     23 / 46       
I got a question about mini heroes and War of The Ring. If you make a mini hero in the game do it stay in the stratgic map or dissapear?
Smeagolfan24
WICH Fanfic Moderator
posted 04-25-07 07:24 AM EDT (US)     24 / 46       
It stays in your army, but it doesn't appeaer on the map like your heroes.

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Ludson
Dúnadan
posted 04-25-07 08:37 AM EDT (US)     25 / 46       
They stay?? Wonderful... Best news of the day.
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