Some power thoughts: For an army killer, go with Rain of Arrows and Whirlwind definately. Archer Specialization wouldn't hurt for those larger units, and maybe even a little Weapon Switch or Stealth.

1. Archer Specialization
2. Self-Heal
3. Rain of Arrows
4. Whirlwind
5. Archer Specialization (2)
6. Self-Heal (2)
7. Leadership (Always handy, makes archers level so much faster)
8. Rain of Arrows (2)
9. Archer Specialization (3)
10. Rain of Arrows (3)

Armour: 12
Power: 12
Health: 12
Heal Rate: 10
Vision: rest

That should get you a very killy Elf Hero.

You won't need 12 power if you have 3 levels of archer specialization.

Thanx guys

If you just want a hero to use with elves use this wizard:

Powers: Wizard blast 1-2, Fireball 1-3, Ball lightning 1-3, Convert enemies, Word Of Power

Use this guy with a rank 10 Elrond and kick some butt.

You want a sage with Elrond backing him up with self heal,

1:toughness
2:rage
3:earthshaker
4:bombard
5:leap
6:improved earthshaker
7:improved leap
8:great rage
9:improved bombard
10: mighty earthshaker

Good all round hero this, can take out other heros if need be and buildings too, but must importantly the leap and earthshaker decimate units.

Elf create a heros are only good when they have that unbelieveably annoying glitch heal, as if they come up against a dwarve or a captain or even a troll they are gunna die plain an simple

Daveofthewood writes:

Elf create a heros are only good when they have that unbelieveably annoying glitch heal, as if they come up against a dwarve or a captain or even a troll they are gunna die plain an simple

What is that supposed to mean?...

[This message has been edited by DarkServant (edited 05-10-2007 @ 04:09 PM).]

"What is that supposed to mean?..."

Exactly what it means, i've only ever faced noobs who use there elven archer honestly, whilst anyone above rank 5 i've faced with an elven hero has glitch heal, which allows them to heal repeatedly without the self heal power recharging making them all but invincible.

If a player with an unglitched elf hero say at level 2 was to face a C o gondor or a dwarve at level 2 there's no contest is there? The sword or hammer is mightier than the bow, granted if the elves level 10 and has superior archer ability then yes your in for a hiding, but it would take a skilled player to rank an elve hero to level 10 against a good player with a captain or dwarve.

The way i see it everyone has to level up the same way, by killing lairs, farms or units at first (unless you rush attack ), elves take ages to kill lairs and farms compared to others which means they are harder to level up, coz there is no way a skilled player would send units to engage an elve (unless your desperate) as youd be giving your opponent free experience points.

Elves are amazing at level 10 as are most heros, but id only ever use them for a comp stomp.

the glitch heal is awesome

My Elf managed to hold 3 Brutal players for 15 minutes at minas Tirith's Main gate. Rain of Arrows + Archer specialization + Heal is wonderful..

My best CaH is a Male Elf with heal.. and have no such glitch... And he could kick any Dwarf/Captian of Gondor CaH's butt anyday ...

Can you tell me the heal glitch? Any hero is a good hero if used well. I trap heros with my other units and pummel them with Thorn of Vengeance, dead eye, hawk shot, rain of arrows (CAH and Legolas), and use Elrond to restore if need be.

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"My best CaH is a Male Elf with heal.. and have no such glitch... And he could kick any Dwarf/Captian of Gondor CaH's butt anyday"

Id put a lot of money on my dwave or captian killing it anyday of the week, as i said everyone levels up in the same way (lairs, attacking farms, or units or any enemies), if a captains on horse back hes faster meaning he can get round all the lairs quickly, meaning by the time my heros been round say...iron hills and killed the drakes and spiders and goblins id say hed be level 6 whilst the elve would be level 2, and theres nothing however good a player you are you can do about it, evles need the higher levels (archer specialisation and improved cripple shots) to be any way threatening to a captain or dwarve.

Hence why you see most honest players with elve heros change when they see someone with a captain of Gondor show up. The heal glitch can be undone, as blade master spear throw is often to qick for the player to react with the glicth.

High levels of Cripple shot, Rain of arrows and archer specialisation + heal (glitch) and toggle weapon or stealth own! If you can't see my hero you can't hit it! Ha Ha Ha Ha!

[This message has been edited by Wraith Lord (edited 05-25-2007 @ 04:40 AM).]

for, so far, my best CaH is a capitain of gondor with


1:shield bash
2:reinforcements
3:shield bash 2
4:Spear throw
5: reinforcements 2
6:spear throw 2
7: spear throw 3
8:train allies
9: dun remember, its either spear throw or shield bash improved
10: reinforcements 3


his spear throw kills sauron (tested), he summons 4 battalions at the end and gives 1 lvl per train allies. I actually already won battles in hard without rushing and without using anything more than him + a lower lvled aragorn or even boromir. (ooh yeah and maaaany summon hobbits- they recharge fast), with and army of the dead to finish the enemy when I need to atk his fortress

That does sound really good. What does everyone thing about having more abilities of a lower level as opposed to having fewer abilities, but having them leveled up higher?

I switch off between the two when I'm making a CaH... That would explain why I have made about 20-25 CaHs or so...

"High levels of Cripple shot, Rain of arrows and archer specialisation + heal (glitch) and toggle weapon or stealth own! If you can't see my hero you can't hit it! Ha Ha Ha Ha!"

Did you actually read what i posted? By the time your elve had ponced about killing one liar on whatever map, my captain on horseback would have done the rounds and killied all the other lairs, as that is the best advantage speed.

And i thought you said you didn't have glitch heal? Just proves my point that the only good evle heros have that glitch heal.

I agree with Daveofthewood - a COG or a Dwarf will own an elf hero - they simply have more umf! (basically better attack and defense). Elves can also get pretty expensive with all those good powers, whereas my best Dwarf is 2880 - once I get him he simply doesn't die - Earthquake 1-3, Leap, Bombard 1-2, Leadership, etc. This guy single handedly held off three brutals (Men, Elves, Angmar) on Cardolan. I doubt an Elf hero could do that - yes whirlwind is good, but my Dwarf has more HP than a fortress. (I know this is possible for Elven heroes too but you would have to majorly sacrifice armour and attack, which I would not do!) And yes - Elves take absolutely AGES to destroy Lairs - Send a battalion of something else to destroy the Lair and get your hero to destroy the rubble, as that is what levels them up.